Question about Expertise and Spell Costs - Guild Wars Forums

skull · Nov 24, 2005, 12:31 PM // 12:31

Hi,

Does the Ranger Expertise attribute only reduce the costs of Ranger related skills or does it also reduce the cost of other profession based skills?

How do you know if your skill cost has dropped. I don't even think it shows when you browse over the skill/spell icon with your cursor. It always shows the same cost.

skull

Kamatsu · Nov 24, 2005, 12:36 PM // 12:36

On part 2 - Skills never show the reduced energy cost. They will always show the full cost, but when you go to use the skill the correct amount of energy will be reduced. You will aso be able to use the skills the moment you have the energy to met the lowered energy requirement.

Lets just say you use a 10 energy skill, which will cost 6 energy after the expertise bonus is taken off... the skill will show it costing 10 energy, but when you use it you will only loose 6 energy. .. now say you were at 0 energy and wanted to use that skill, you'd have to wait till you had 6 energy before being able to use it, not 10 energy like the skill description would lead you to believe.

Don Vito Corleone · Nov 24, 2005, 01:06 PM // 13:06

i'll add that exprties will not be usefull with the secondary proffession mean10 of well of blood will use 10 energy of ur energy so be carfull, use only low req energy skills for the second proffession

skull · Nov 24, 2005, 01:49 PM // 13:49

Thanks for you relplies!

If I understand correctly:

1) Ranger Expertise attrib. only reduces the energy cost of the Ranger skills...but NOT the engergy cost of the secondary Profession skills or spells.

2) The reduced costs do not show when placing your cursor over the skill/spell icon.

Thanks!

darkMishkin · Nov 24, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

No, no, no! Expertise reduces skill cost across professions.
Expertise costs chart.

Try using the 15e skill Vampiric Touch with 16 expertise, and it suddenly becomes a lot more spammable. A full bar of energy-costing warrior attacks becomes more viable too. Hamstring anyone?

--> Go to GWGuru.com skill listings,
and sort using '' All classes/Skill Type/Blank/Blank ''

Everything except Spells, Hexes and Enchantments are affected by Expertise.
Expertise is your daddy!

msihkin

Former Ruling · Nov 24, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

You think it doesn't affect others because most other professions use "spells" which is one of the 3 things expertise doesn't help.

A User Name · Nov 24, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Ill just add that expertise also affects glyphs as well in case you like to use them.

Don Vito Corleone · Nov 24, 2005, 03:40 PM // 15:40

r u sure?

because i have r/n and realy nothing reduce if i use any skill

my experties 8-11 sometimes

Eonwe · Nov 24, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone

r u sure?

Just about 1000% sure that they're correct.

Don Vito Corleone · Nov 24, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Just about 1000% sure that they're correct.

u mistake mate

experties only works with ranger skills

i gave a try and put all my attribute points to blood and experties and it didnt work at all

i used well of blood and it really cost me 15 energy

if u want to make sure, just pm me in game i'll show u that experties doesnt work with second professions skils.

experties, fast casting ,strength , energy storage and soul reaping all dont work with second profession

if there r working that means the necromancer will be the best character then ranger then mesmer but all of them just work for the main or original profession.

check this Q from ncsoft knowledge base that will assure my point.

http://support.guildwars.com/cgi-bin...i=&p_topview=1

Elena · Nov 24, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

sigh spells and skills are not the same! only the skills actually with the word skill in there description like vampiric touch get the benefit of expertise and seeing as well of blood is listed a spell its not going to get reduced by expertise

cpiche ?

Shyft the Pyro · Nov 24, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone

u mistake mate

experties only works with ranger skills

i gave a try and put all my attribute points to blood and experties and it didnt work at all

i used well of blood and it really cost me 15 energy

if u want to make sure, just pm me in game i'll show u that experties doesnt work with second professions skils.

Well of Blood is a spell. Expertise does not affect the cost of spells, be they listed as Enchantment Spells, Hex Spells, or just plain Spells.

Seriously, just search these forums for Expertise. Curious people have tested these things before; why not enjoy the spoils of their labors?

Don Vito Corleone · Nov 24, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

sorry mate

i updated my last post just read it again and click at the link

but really worked with 3 skills only not spells

NatalieD · Nov 24, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52

The link you posted doesn't have anything to do with this thread. It doesn't even mention Expertise.

Shyft the Pyro · Nov 25, 2005, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone

sorry mate

i updated my last post just read it again and click at the link

but really worked with 3 skills only not spells

Sure, your link does go to a Knowledge Base article, but how is that article relevant to the way Expertise works? It's about attribute points, for crying out loud! And if you did update your last post, why didn't you delete the erroneous information? The primary attribute never goes away; what it does never changes. An E/Me gets the same benefit from high Energy Storage as a plain Elementalist created for PvP. Do you honestly believe there is a separate pool for that character's Mesmer spells? Please. Fast Casting works on all spells, not just Mesmer ones, so a Me/E casts Elementalist spells faster than a plain Elementalist. Please, do not generalize your view on primary attributes based on how you mishandle the way Expertise interacts with secondary profession skills. At the very least, do a forum search for some guides that explain things you claim knowledge of.

Eonwe · Nov 25, 2005, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone

u mistake mate

experties only works with ranger skills

100% incorrect. Expertise reduces the costs of all of all Attack Skills, Preparations, Traps, Stances, Rituals, Glyphs, and Shouts by 4% per attribute level.

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i gave a try and put all my attribute points to blood and experties and it didnt work at all

i used well of blood and it really cost me 15 energy

Uh, what?

Ofcourse it didn't reduce the cost of well of blood. You know why? Because Well of Blood is a spell, and is thus not affected by expertise.

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experties, fast casting ,strength , energy storage and soul reaping all dont work with second profession

Fast casting redcues the casting time of any type of spell, regardless if it's a monk spell, a necromancer spell, or a mesmer spell. It does what it says it does.

Arturo02 · Nov 25, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33

I have to agree with Don, I tried out high expertise and my charm animal skill didn't get the reduction.

weird

Pardoz · Nov 25, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Yes, your skill got the reduction. No, the reduced enery cost doesn't show up in the tooltip or in the skill description - look at your energy bar after using a skill, and you'll see the difference.

thetrojansheep · Nov 25, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Expertice i think only affect traps, skills, stances and attacks. Spells: no. Mesmer, warrior stances, yes.

Shyft the Pyro · Nov 25, 2005, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by thetrojansheep

Expertice i think only affect traps, skills, stances and attacks. Spells: no. Mesmer, warrior stances, yes.

If you were to test it by looking at how much energy your energy bar loses after using a skill, or if you were to search these forums, you'd know that the only thing Expertise has no effect on are Spells. Everything else gets a reduction in cost. This would be most obvious with Vampiric Touch, since with 12 points in Expertise (48% reduction) that skill should cost you about 8 energy instead of the listed 15. If you're so skeptical of the data already gathered on the subject, go try it yourself.

Nov 24, 2005, 12:31 PM // 12:31	#1
skull Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Out There... Profession: E/Mo	Question about Expertise and Spell Costs Hi, Does the Ranger Expertise attribute only reduce the costs of Ranger related skills or does it also reduce the cost of other profession based skills? How do you know if your skill cost has dropped. I don't even think it shows when you browse over the skill/spell icon with your cursor. It always shows the same cost. skull

Nov 24, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56	#13
Don Vito Corleone Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Guildless Profession: R/	sorry mate i updated my last post just read it again and click at the link but really worked with 3 skills only not spells Last edited by Don Vito Corleone; Nov 24, 2005 at 07:05 PM // 19:05..

Nov 24, 2005, 12:36 PM // 12:36	#2
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	On part 2 - Skills never show the reduced energy cost. They will always show the full cost, but when you go to use the skill the correct amount of energy will be reduced. You will aso be able to use the skills the moment you have the energy to met the lowered energy requirement. Lets just say you use a 10 energy skill, which will cost 6 energy after the expertise bonus is taken off... the skill will show it costing 10 energy, but when you use it you will only loose 6 energy. .. now say you were at 0 energy and wanted to use that skill, you'd have to wait till you had 6 energy before being able to use it, not 10 energy like the skill description would lead you to believe.

Nov 24, 2005, 01:06 PM // 13:06	#3
Don Vito Corleone Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Guildless Profession: R/	i'll add that exprties will not be usefull with the secondary proffession mean10 of well of blood will use 10 energy of ur energy so be carfull, use only low req energy skills for the second proffession

Nov 24, 2005, 01:49 PM // 13:49	#4
skull Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Out There... Profession: E/Mo	Thanks for you relplies! If I understand correctly: 1) Ranger Expertise attrib. only reduces the energy cost of the Ranger skills...but NOT the engergy cost of the secondary Profession skills or spells. 2) The reduced costs do not show when placing your cursor over the skill/spell icon. Thanks!

Nov 24, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34	#5
darkMishkin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: Mo/	No, no, no! Expertise reduces skill cost across professions. Expertise costs chart. Try using the 15e skill Vampiric Touch with 16 expertise, and it suddenly becomes a lot more spammable. A full bar of energy-costing warrior attacks becomes more viable too. Hamstring anyone? --> Go to GWGuru.com skill listings, and sort using '' All classes/Skill Type/Blank/Blank '' Everything except Spells, Hexes and Enchantments are affected by Expertise. Expertise is your daddy! msihkin

Nov 24, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45	#6
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	You think it doesn't affect others because most other professions use "spells" which is one of the 3 things expertise doesn't help.

Nov 24, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47	#7
A User Name Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: None atm	Ill just add that expertise also affects glyphs as well in case you like to use them.

Nov 24, 2005, 03:40 PM // 15:40	#8
Don Vito Corleone Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Guildless Profession: R/	r u sure? because i have r/n and realy nothing reduce if i use any skill my experties 8-11 sometimes

Nov 24, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46	#11
Elena Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Belgium	sigh spells and skills are not the same! only the skills actually with the word skill in there description like vampiric touch get the benefit of expertise and seeing as well of blood is listed a spell its not going to get reduced by expertise cpiche ?

Nov 24, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52	#14
NatalieD Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	The link you posted doesn't have anything to do with this thread. It doesn't even mention Expertise.

Nov 25, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33	#17
Arturo02 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: See that third planet from the sun? Guild: Sacred Forge Knights Profession: R/Me	I have to agree with Don, I tried out high expertise and my charm animal skill didn't get the reduction. weird

Nov 25, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31	#18
Pardoz Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	Yes, your skill got the reduction. No, the reduced enery cost doesn't show up in the tooltip or in the skill description - look at your energy bar after using a skill, and you'll see the difference.

Nov 25, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56	#19
thetrojansheep Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005	Expertice i think only affect traps, skills, stances and attacks. Spells: no. Mesmer, warrior stances, yes.